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Hi there

I am just starting to learn to use Audiograbber and I'm not very good at these sort of things....

I am trying to copy from minidisk player onto my computer. It seems that I have the md player connected via the microphone socket (if I mute the microphone on the volume selection on audiograbber the sound goes). If I plug it into the 'other' socket I get an echo on the sound.

Is it ok to go through the microphone socket?? The volume graphic on audiograbber seems to go up if I just touch the MD player even if it is not playing.... is this b.c I am using the microphone socket?

Any ideas would be appreciated, thanks... once again plese use simple terms as I don't know a lot about this sort of thing..

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Tilia

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Hi Tilia; You really don't want to use the mic input. In the first place, its generally mono, and secondly, a mic input will usually have a dirt cheap, (meaning noisy), mic-preamp connected to it.

If you're getting an echo using line-in, (the preffered connection), double check all your Windows mixer settings and make sure you don't have some setting like "StereoMixer", or "what you hear", or something like that selected. Basically, this is Windows trying to allow you to listen to what your recording, and feeds the input back to the output. It can have several different names depending on your soundcard.

Just play with the different Windows mixer setting til it works right. Line-in id definitely what you want to use.

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One more thing, some soundcards mic input supply whats called "phantom power" to electret microphones. They do this by providing a small amount of DC voltage on the "ring" part of a stereo connector. This means that your soundcard will applying voltage to the "right" output of you MD.
NOT a good thing. Thats probably why the meter is responding to your touch.

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"double check all your Windows mixer settings and make sure you don't have some setting like "StereoMixer", or "what you hear", or something like that selected."

Sorry, can I ask where I would find this... as usual I am having no luck with the Help files.. sorry to be such a numpty.

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aaah I think I've got it, I've muted the line-in on the volume control and selected it on the recording volume control... is that what you mean??

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Tilia

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Yup . . . if that works, thats one way.

I don't know if you're using Win 98 or XP, or something else, but in 98, I just create two shortcuts, that you can put in your Start menu, or on your Desktop.

Call one "Volume Controls", using this command line:

C:\WINDOWS\SNDVOL32.EXE

And another one called "Record Controls", using this command line:

C:\WINDOWS\SNDVOL32.EXE -R

Now I have instant access to all my Windows mixer controls.

Dex

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so it wasn't recording the echo, just that was what was coming out of my speakers? If that's the case I understand, thanks...

The next question is that now I am using the line-in it doesn't seem to be splitting the tracks... I have upped the sesitivity to full whack but it isn't splitting them... any idea why?

I do appreciate your help, my partner wants to record his harp playing for a course he is doing and I need to get this sorted so that we can copy it to cd after recording it on my md player... I am just practicing/learning with a copy of a cd that I have on my md player for the moment.

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Tilia

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The next question is that now I am using the line-in it doesn't seem to be splitting the tracks... I have upped the sesitivity to full whack but it isn't splitting them... any idea why?[/B]

Normally setting the track split sensitivity to 5 should split the tracks. Just to be sure have you got the Auto Split tracks selected and are the tracks over 35 seconds long (default value - this can be changed)? Also is there silence between the tracks - this is the cue Auto Split requires.

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Hi Tomb

I have set it to 5 (rather than 9 which it was on) and it still didn't split the tracks.

There is a silence between the tracks but the volume meter doesn't go to zero so maybe it isn't picking up the gap... is there a way to split the tracks after I have recorded them??

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You'll need some sort of audio-editing software to do that. I use Cool Edit, (no longer produced), and Adobe Audition, (which used to be Cool Edit Pro), which is around $300, so that probably isn't a reasonable solution for you.

Hopefully, someone else will chime in on some freeware audio editors.

There is still available the old version of Cool Edit, which works fine, albeit, with a lack of some functionality, at my little downloads page:

http://www.dex4now.com/downloads.html

When you open the program, you'll only have a couple options to select from. Be sure to select the ability to "save".


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If you want, you can email me for the reg code. (If the admins don't mind.)

I don't normally give away reg codes, but CE96 is no longer produced, and the company is out of business. Adobe only bought the "Pro" version and isn't developing the stereo version, so I don't think this is a problem.

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ok... so without downloading anything the best way to get the gaps is to stop or pause the md player after each track?... I think i can manage that....

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I am at a loss why the Auto Split isn't working

If you want to do it manually press Cut and this will end the recording and start to record a new track.

Further to Dex4Now's comments freeware editors available include:

Wave Splitter:

http://claudiosoft.online.fr/wavsplit.html

Audacity:

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

Tom

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Thanks

I will have ago doing it manually but if that is not satisfactory I will have a look at the programms you recommend.

Thanks guys for all your help.

Love and light

Tilia

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