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Topic: New free AAC encoder, Really fast. - (Read 16 times)
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MetalMusicAddict
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Has anyone seen this?"Looking for an alternative AAC encoder? A Taiwanese university has released version 1.0 of their AAC encoder called NCTU-AAC. They claim it's both faster and sounds better than established AAC encoders from Ahead and Apple." I have yet to try this but I figured people here would like to know. Please if you try this let us know.
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Tomb
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Registered: Jun 2002
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Search for NCTU at www.hydrogenaudio.org where this has been discussed in detail.As for using it I tried but the last release was buggy and crashed. They also have an mp3 codec based on lame. Edit: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25129&hl= [This message has been edited by Tomb on 17 August 2004 @ 03:57]
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MetalMusicAddict
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Cool Thanx Tomb. That was gonna be my next stop.  Also thanx for the help. Ive lurked for a long time beccause I always found the answers in this forum. You answer ALOT of questions. Im gonna try this release. I would like to know your opinion on it. Maybe not so buggie this time.  Thanx.
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Tomb
Moderator From:Hackney, East London
Registered: Jun 2002
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Just tried it and erm I was not to impressed. Even with my ears it sounded terrible, the track times were all wrong and the vbr is a mess to configure. On the plus side it is extremely fast but that's it. I will plug away to see if I can get some better results.However if you are into AAC you should give FAAC a try. It's an excellent encoder with pelnty of options under it's arguments and tagging. See my, still draft!, pages at www.ripping.v33.org under external codecs for the arguments and under FAAC for more info. [This message has been edited by Tomb on 17 August 2004 @ 10:34]
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MetalMusicAddict
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Your guide (and your help here)is what got me playing with AAC. Its an excellent guide. I just need to find more info on AAC. Like "AAC for dummies" Kinda some basic info to help me know how AAC works. ie: Tagging, .aac vs. mp4 extention, aac in a mp4 wrapper? (is that right?) and so on. I do have Audiograbber setup to do AAC with your FAAC guide.Thanx again for the help.
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Tomb
Moderator From:Hackney, East London
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http://www.audiocoding.com/ is the home of most things AAC. Also visit the AAC forums at www.hydrogenaudio.org Thanks for the words about the guide by the way. I'm glad it is of use. ANOTHER EDIT! Someone at Hydrogen Audio has developed another AAC encoder and is after feedback. See http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=78b7165235dcc46ac76e2050edb817f1&showtopic=26295 for more. [This message has been edited by Tomb on 18 August 2004 @ 05:21]
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moonroy
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Is there really any use of AAC as encoder in audiograbber? When do you want to use it?------------------
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Tomb
Moderator From:Hackney, East London
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Moonroy - can you give reasons why not?Personally I prefer AAC over mp3 for many reasons. To me it sounds better especially at 128 k/bits, I can create i-pod compatible files using FAAC, the tagging is better, it's the way forward with online music stores beating wma hands down, you can play AAC on mobile phones that support it plus many other reasons too many to list. When Jackie gets time I think he should try and get Audiograbber to support lib_faac.dll so that is available as an internal codec.
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MetalMusicAddict
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Im lookin @ it because I know it will eventually take over mp3. I think many people would 2nd Audiograbber using FAAC as an internal codec. More internal codecs is one of the thins Audiograbber needs. Some people would also say secure ripping. Does FAAC have copy protection like Apples AAC?
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Tomb
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Does FAAC have copy protection like Apples AAC?There is no DRM/Copy Protection with FAAC as far as I am aware especially as it is a free encoder. There is none with Apple's encoder unless you purchase protected tunes from the music store. There may be an option, within i-tunes, to use DRM using apples encoder just like wma in Media Player but as I don't have it installed at present I cannot check. [This message has been edited by Tomb on 19 August 2004 @ 08:29]
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moonroy
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Are there any test results where AAC wins over MP3 at higher bitrates, when the compressed audio sounds like it should sound without artifacts?As I see it, MP3 is a format that is supported everywhere. Considering how big it is, it will be around for a long time from now. If any other codec wants to take its position, the sound quality needs to be considerably better than MP3 while the file size at the same time must be a lot smaller. If it is roughly the same both quality and file size then there is really no need for yet another format. At 128Kbps, MP3 do not sound that good. At 192kbps the sound and size is pretty OK for most uses. WMA is better than MP3 at small files but as it does not sound good anyway it is useless. And as it is not a free format, it will mostly be used by companies selling music. OGG is pretty OK, and is a free format but it is still far from MP3 and WMA in popularity. ------------------
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MetalMusicAddict
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I agree totally with your last post moonroy. Its just good to keep your options open and look ahead. AAC is becoming very popular and im lookin into it just like other people. I probally wont give up on LAME anytime soon because I dont really feel like re-ripping 800+ cds I own. But like I said you gotta keep your options open. Thanx for the help.
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hans-jürgen
Member From:Hamburg, Germany
Registered: Feb 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by MetalMusicAddict:
I just need to find more info on AAC. Like "AAC for dummies" Kinda some basic info to help me know how AAC works. ie: Tagging, .aac vs. mp4 extention, aac in a mp4 wrapper? (is that right?) and so on.
Besides the general links that Tomb already gave you, you might want to have a look at http://www.audiocoding.com/modules/wiki/?page=FAAC which is the new URL for the Wiki page about FAAC on Audiocoding.com. I tried to cover most of the relevant aspects on this page, so it got rather long. But you can jump from the top to the parts that interest you most. And don't forget to follow the internal links for more information, e.g. about the container format MP4 or AAC in general.By the way, there is no Digital Rights Management used with FAAC, and if you see the abbreviation DRM on that site, it probably means Digital Radio Mondiale which is a project to use analogue AM radio frequencies for digital sound transmission with AAC at very low bitrates. @Tomb: Hi, didn't notice yet that your URL has changed in the meantime. ------------------
ZZee ya, Hans-Jürgen
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MetalMusicAddict
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Thanx hans-jürgen, Tomb and moonroy. The 3 of you are always very helpful.
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Tomb
Moderator From:Hackney, East London
Registered: Jun 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by hans-jürgen:
@Tomb: Hi, didn't notice yet that your URL has changed in the meantime.
Just a short URL! The other one was a mouthful!!!
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